Sabbath: How we have misunderstood Jesus
Welcome to the Uncut podcast. I'm pastor Luke. And I'm pastor Cameron. And this is the Uncut podcast where we have honest, uncut conversations about faith, life, and ministry. We do.
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Cameron:As I was telling Luke today, I recommended this podcast to a friend, and so when I sent him the link, I just clicked on it, be like, oh, you know, I don't because I don't often go back and listen to our own podcasts because Yeah. We were here.
Luke:Right.
Cameron:I was here in the room. I don't I don't need to know the content.
Luke:We said the things.
Cameron:We said the things. Right? So I don't often go back and listen to them, but I just happened to, because it was like up on my phone. And as I was listening to it, I was like, dear heavens, Cameron Linehart, you are the slowest talker in the history of talkers. Like, I was literally boring myself with my own podcast.
Cameron:And so, I just need to say to all of our listeners or viewers out there, I am sorry. Like, if there is any way that we can go back into all of our podcasts and re edit them, we will speed up my speech by two times and leave Luke's the same as it is. And then maybe it will be marginally listenable. But, oh my goodness. I'm gonna stop trying to be so because what I was saying before we started Yeah.
Cameron:Is that I'm not intentionally speaking slowly, at least in my head, but what I'm trying to do is just be thoughtful. And not just not just verbal diarrhea out everywhere.
Luke:Yeah. Well, that's that's what I always assumed. Well, because now I feel somewhat embarrassed too, because you asked me before we turned the mics on, Luke, do I always just talk that slow? And I was kinda like, I mean, like, on the podcast, you do. Like, I just thought you'd listened back to the couple Here we are,
Cameron:81 episodes in, and I'm just learning this. Like,
Luke:so Need to work on my feedback.
Cameron:Yeah. If we like, I'm sorry people. I am sorry. Okay? I will speak more quickly.
Cameron:As in as much as I'm able to. Yeah. Or if not, just put it on two x and listen to it that way.
Luke:Yeah. You'll you'll oscillate between my speech pattern and Cameron's speech.
Cameron:Oh my goodness. It's so embarrassing. Anyway, here we are.
Luke:Here we are.
Cameron:Back in the studio, ready to pick up a new series. I I I guess, we have been preaching in prayer the last it's been I think we did five Five sermons on prayer We did. Prayer, and one on fasting, which I just considered to be the same as prayer. And now, we are going into a series on Sabbath, which is the other half of our yearly focus for the year, spiritual focus for the year here at Conduit. And if you haven't been around Conduit to hear it, or know what we've been talking about in prayer, we've kind of communicated prayer as an invitation to intimacy with God.
Cameron:As we seek God's face, prayer is a way that we enter into deeper intimacy with Him. Yep. And now, as we go into Sabbath, Sabbath is a way that we don't that we create space
Luke:Mhmm.
Cameron:To seek the Lord, to seek His face. Yes. And actually, I think kind of one of the things that I wanna talk about this morning, you've been doing most of the preparation for the Sabbath series, because you're preaching most of it. Yeah. But one of the things that I wanted to talk about this morning was we don't create space for Sabbath.
Cameron:God has given us the space. Mhmm. It's our it's our choice or our responsibility to step into it. Yeah. So and so I don't know if you have, since, like I said, since you've been doing most of the preparation for the series, if you have a specific direction where you'd like to start this episode, or if you want to jump right into this scripture that I have open, or what do you want to do?
Luke:Well, I mean, I think just where you kind of started there is, like, maybe we just start with that basic concept of Sabbath is creating because, like, our full theme, right, is seeking God through prayer and Sabbath. Seeking God's face. Seeking God's face through prayer and Sabbath. And so we talked a lot about seeking God's face. We talked about prayer, and Sabbath is, like, in a lot of people's minds, I just think people don't even know how to conceptually think about Sabbath.
Cameron:Not in a modern way. No. It's an old relic of religious life that they're not exactly sure what to do with in modern society.
Luke:Right. And we've kind of let it go to the side. We're just like, that's old relic. We don't have to do it anymore. And so then we're left with not Sabbath, which is like our daily seven days a week, seven eleven grind, you know?
Luke:And that's leading to a place where I think we're we've we've run out of space for God, or for connecting with him, and also just other important things and gifts that God gives us, like our family, like our values, and things like that, I think as well. So, yeah, I don't know. Let's let's start maybe with the passage that you've got in front it, that you've got over.
Cameron:Okay. So it's in Mark chapter two, and this is one of my favorite passages on Sabbath in the New Testament. So I'm in Mark two verses 23 through 28, one Sabbath, Jesus was going through the grain fields, and his disciples walked along. They began to pick some heads of grain, and the Pharisees said to him, look. Why are you doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?
Cameron:He answered, have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need? In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat, and he also gave some to his companions. Then he said to them, the Sabbath was made for man, not man for Sabbath. So the son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath. Mhmm.
Cameron:So this is one of the more instructive passages to me in my kind of understanding or theology around Sabbath Yeah. Is that instead of it being something that becomes a instead of it being something that becomes a weight Yeah. That we must bear Mhmm. It becomes a freedom and a gift that we get to receive Yep. And walk in.
Cameron:Yeah. And I think that that's essentially how Jesus summarized what he said here, the Sabbath was made for man, not man for Sabbath, but that's what he was communicating really in his back and forth with the Pharisees in the story as well.
Luke:Yeah. Well, this is the thing, is I will talk about this passage quite a bit once I get to it in the sermon series on Sabbath, because I think as instructive and helpful and life giving as this passage is, it is also, I think, the root of one of the reasons that we've neglected Sabbath. Think we've misunderstood this passage. So when we read this, right, we're like, maybe we have in our minds a picture of Sabbath that is like, oh, Sabbath means it's this old way of doing Sunday, where you go to church twice, you don't really do anything fun, you sit in some old wooden pews, you just kind of listen to the preacher preach. It's just kind of a drudgery.
Luke:It's this day in which you're not allowed to do any of the things that you want to do or can do. A lot of things are closed. It's just kind of this day that just kind of like, blah. Right? If you have this kind of like very legalistic sense of what Sabbath is, we read this, and then we're like, oh, what did Jesus say?
Luke:He said that, okay, Sabbath is made for man, not man for the Sabbath. He's the Lord of the Sabbath. Oh, so Jesus is telling the Pharisees who were observing the law and like making, you know, Sabbath this big deal, he's like, oh, look. Jesus is saying you don't have to pay attention to any of the rules when it comes to Sabbath. Right.
Luke:So I should be able to do what I want on Sabbath on Sunday. Mhmm. So it's it's a thing I actually don't have to kind of keep or worry about. And so, like, with that freedom, we just say, oh, well, you know, it if I want to work on Sundays, that's fine, or I want to work on Sabbath or whatever. It's okay if I don't practice Sabbath, because Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath.
Luke:He did away with it here in this passage, because he said, look, oh, all the rules you're making about this, these are silly. You know, man was created for Sabbath, not Sabbath for man. That just means there are no rules when it comes to this, so I'm free. And then we don't practice Sabbath at all. We just kind of go about doing our life, and you know, we take we we go to church on Sunday, and while I went to church, that means I've practiced Sabbath, you know, as much as I maybe need to, or something like that.
Luke:And so I think that that's the popular understanding of this passage, and I think the reason ultimately why practice of Sabbath has fallen apart. So preach for us a little
Cameron:bit the sermon that you're gonna preach on this about what we how do we internalize or kind of step into what Jesus was saying when he said, I am the Lord of the Sabbath. The son of man is the Lord of the Sabbath.
Luke:Oh. So the son of man is the Lord even of the Sabbath. That is
Cameron:I would say it maybe vis a vis how it has become understood, meaning like, oh, since Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, I don't really have to practice it, because I just follow Jesus, or whatever.
Luke:Yeah, so that's what I think yeah, so exactly how you said it. I think we read that, and we see the son of man is the Lord of the even the Sabbath. That means Jesus has, like, got control over it. He's trumping it. He's trumping it, and so therefore, I follow Jesus, so I don't have to follow the I don't have
Cameron:to practice
Luke:Sabbath. That is not what Jesus is saying here. There's other passages where Jesus says famously, I did not come to abolish the law. Right? I came to fulfill Right?
Luke:And that's not just a fancy way of saying, I've also abolished it. It's a way
Cameron:of like, it is more complete in me than elsewhere. Jesus becomes the Jesus becomes like the lens Mhmm. That we see the law in, and we practice the law in. Exactly.
Luke:And so when he says, I am the Lord even of the Sabbath, he's saying that I am the complete, like, I am fulfilling the Sabbath. Not in a way that it's fulfilled and it's done with, but it is in a more complete sense in me. And so when he's talking about Lord of the Sabbath, that's a huge not only is the Son of Man a divinity claim, like, it's a claim of being the messiahship, but to say that he's the lord of the Sabbath. Who started the Sabbath? Mhmm.
Luke:God on the seventh day of creation. Mhmm. When he said he would rest it, he stopped. Mhmm. That word stop, Sabbath means to stop.
Luke:And it's like most literal and wooden interpretation of it. It means to just stop, to rest. And that's the same thing that the Lord did on the seventh day. He stopped. And and all throughout the Old Testament, Sabbath is brought up over and over and over again.
Luke:It's one it's one of the 10 commandments. I think we forget that sometimes, that we're like, well, isn't that just part of like the the Levitical code and stuff? It's all the extra stuff that got added on or something like Right. But no, it was one of the 10 commandments that Moses brought. The Sabbath day and keep it holy.
Luke:Right? It it was that important that it may was made onto the 10 commandments. And we think that this passage means, oh, well, this is one of the 10 commandments we can ignore. Whereas, like, we generally don't don't ignore the rest of the 10. And so Jesus here, when he says he's the lord of the Sabbath, he's saying, like, I'm bringing about a more true, fulfilled full understanding of what Sabbath is.
Luke:Mhmm. Not that Sabbath goes away, but that Sabbath is going to be practiced and understood in a more complete sense if you follow me. Right.
Cameron:Right. I also see it as a yeah. Exactly. And I guess it's not I'm just saying maybe what I would say here would be saying the same thing, maybe just a little bit more snarkly, is that Jesus' response to the pharisees is like, you don't get to define the Sabbath. It doesn't belong to you.
Cameron:Well, I mean, it does in a sense that it's the gift. Yes. But it didn't originate with you. It originated with the father, of which he he and I are one, essentially. And so Jesus is like, if anyone gets to define what what is allowed to be done on the Sabbath, it's me, not you.
Luke:Yeah. Well, they had gotten to this place, like the context here, right, is the Pharisees and the practitioners of the law, they had gotten to this place where they were like, we don't want to dishonor the Sabbath. We want to keep it holy. And so we better make sure that we stay very, very far away from
Cameron:Dishonoring it.
Luke:Dishonoring it. Yeah. And so they came up with all these other rules of things that they're like, okay, well, we can't do that on the Sabbath because that could be misconstrued as work. Mhmm. One of the other interactions that Jesus has with the Pharisees around Sabbath is Jesus heals a man.
Luke:Mhmm. Heals a couple people on Sabbath.
Cameron:Quite a few.
Luke:Quite a few. Mhmm. And the Pharisees always get really mad. Right. And Jesus is trying to point out to them, trying to show them, he's like, you guys have come up with so many rules about not doing things on Sabbath that you're up set that I'm doing a really, really good thing.
Cameron:A righteous thing.
Luke:A righteous thing on the Sabbath.
Cameron:Was trying to find that. Do you
Luke:know the reference for that? I don't off the top of my head. I think it is it in Luke, where there's the beautiful it's the the pool named Beautiful or
Cameron:Gates Beautiful or whatever. Yeah.
Luke:But there's so there's that. We were even we were just listening last night in our practicing the way class on prayer, which is by John Mark Comer. It's a small group series that we've been going through as a church, and he shared that praying intercessory prayer, praying for other people was one of the things that Orthodox Jews don't do because it's considered work, you know, on the Sabbath. And so you would stay you wouldn't even pray for other people, because that would be considered doing a work on the Sabbath. Mhmm.
Luke:And that's just that's what that's the context that Jesus is coming into. Did you find that passage?
Cameron:There I found one of them was He heals the crippled woman on Sabbath. This is Luke 13. On Sabbath, Jesus was teaching in one of the synagogues, and a woman there who had been crippled by a spirit for eighteen years, she was bent over and could not straighten up at all. We should talk more about that, crippled by a spirit. I have more questions about that kind of stuff too.
Cameron:Yeah. Because I'm just like, okay, pause Sabbath conversation. I've been doing my devotions in the Old Testament, and reading lately in first and second Samuel.
Luke:Okay. Yeah.
Cameron:And the whole There's a lot there. The whole, like, and the Lord sent an evil spirit to torment Saul.
Luke:Mhmm.
Cameron:Come again?
Luke:Yeah. Well, yeah.
Cameron:Like, what? Mhmm. Anyway. Okay. Press play on the Sabbath conversation again, but I wanna talk about spirits used in that way at some point.
Cameron:Yeah. So there was a woman who was crippled by a spirit for eighteen years. She was bent over and could not straighten up at all. When Jesus saw her, he called her forward and said to her, woman, you are set free from your infirmity. Then he put his hands on her, and immediately she straightened up and praised God.
Cameron:Indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, the synagogue ruler said to the people, there are six days for work, so come and be healed on those days, not on the Sabbath. The Lord answered him, you hypocrites, doesn't each of you on the Sabbath untie his ox or donkey from the stall and lead it out to give it water? Then should then should not this woman, a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has kept bound for eighteen long years, Jesus connects the spirit with Satan, be set free on the Sabbath day from what has bound her? When he said this, all of his opponents were humiliated, but the people were delighted with the wonderful things that he was doing. So Right.
Cameron:Yeah. Certainly, there was a sense that there was a sense that in Jesus for that there was, like you said, there was a highly legalistic attitude to it, which was similar to the way that the Pharisees kind of operated in relation to all of the law.
Luke:All of it. Tithing, tithing out of their spies, know, all that kind of stuff.
Cameron:Is that in accordance to the letter of the law, perfect in all ways
Luke:Mhmm.
Cameron:But missing the spirit of the laws. And so Jesus came to, in a sense now he didn't come to do this, but in his ministry and in his life, he did integrate, or he allowed the spirit of the law to maybe define or qualify the letter of the law. And so that's kind of how I look at Jesus in the gospels as it pertains to Sabbath, is that he's always bringing clarity to the misappropriation of religiosity of the Pharisees. Yeah. You you have heard that it was said, but I say Right.
Cameron:Throughout the whole Sermon on the Mount, and in instances of the Sabbath, was like, hey, yeah, guys, listen. I I get it, you know, maybe to the letter, but don't you, like, untie your ox or donkey and take it to drink. And so why wouldn't we do something Compassionate. Compassionate of the Lord, breaking in the king breaking into the kingdom, and do that on the Sabbath. Like, it's not righteous things are good on the Sabbath
Luke:Right.
Cameron:Whether they're considered work by the letter of the law or not.
Luke:Yes. So Jesus is I think that's the reason why, like, if we were still in the context of Jesus, where we were like, having really legalistic, like we were in a church culture, Our church type of churches that, you know, nondenominational evangelical churches, don't typically have a legalistic approach to Sabbath. In in a negative sense. In a negative sense. Right?
Luke:We're not we're not
Cameron:fairseaical about it.
Luke:We're not fairs fairseaical about We're not in this space of, like, being like, oh, well, you can't do that, like, in like in in in anything like that. And so our context is rather the opposite. Correct. We've gotten to this place where we've ignored the Sabbath to a great detriment of ourselves, and so we hear Jesus' words here, and we just assume, oh, well, he's still just talking to us in our same context, Where the context has changed, and Jesus would probably have something very different to say. Actually, he would have something probably similar to say, I'm gonna have to pull up my notes here, Because there's something that's really, I think, telling about what the Sabbath is, and what it's meant to mean that comes out in the Old Testament.
Luke:I need to look at my list of passages here. Alright. If we go to can you pull up Lamentations two six? Oh, deep cut. Yeah.
Luke:Deep cut.
Cameron:You know, I'll say this about something that you just said is that is that it Sabbath is like it's like the only commandment that we, in the evangelical church, that not only do we not what am I doing? I'm going the wrong way. Not only do we not how did you put it? Like, we're not pharisaical in our practice of Sabbath, but you said we've it.
Luke:We've ignored it.
Cameron:Yeah. In evangelicalism, we have ignored it, and I think it actually goes beyond that. And we haven't just ignored it. Mhmm. We've mocked it.
Cameron:Oh, yeah. You know, like, and so, it hasn't just become this thing where we've like forgotten that it exists. It's become this thing where we have where we have, when you bring up Sabbath, it gets snickered at. Mhmm. It gets like Why
Luke:would you do that?
Cameron:Why would you do that? Where, like, or I couldn't possibly find the time, or like, oh, yeah. I I mean, Sabbath is great for people who don't have kids and full time jobs, but for Oh, yeah. But for the rest of us, people Yeah. Like, we just don't have time.
Cameron:No. We don't have time to Sabbath. Mhmm. You a pastor here in front of you struggling to find Lamentations right Well,
Luke:while you're trying to find Lamentations, I looked up Hosea two. So Hosea is he's Hosea two is particularly harsh passage of judgment. So he's describing Israel, and he's he's in verse seven, he says, she, talking about Israel, shall pursue her lovers, but not overtake them. And she shall seek them, and she shall not find. Then she shall say, I will go and return to my first husband, for it is better for me it was better for me then than now.
Luke:And she did not know that it was I who gave her the grain, the wine, and the oil, who lavished her silver and gold, which they used for bale. Therefore, I will take back my grain in its time and my wine in its season, and I will take the wool and my flax, which were to cover her nakedness. So God right now in this passage is saying, Israel has pursued other gods, has chased after other gods than me, has thought that she would get kind of comparing her to an unfaithful wife in this passage, and he's saying, I'm going to bring about judgment. I'm gonna actually take away all the blessings, kind of like, he's kind of saying, like, she's been an unfaithful wife, but I've allowed her to keep the credit card. I'm taking the credit card away.
Luke:Don't don't stretch my analogy here too harshly. But then he says, verse 10, he says, now I will uncover her lewdness in the sight of her lovers, and no one shall rescue her out of my hand. So it's a very violent passage here where he's saying, like, she's going to be disgraced. And then verse 11 is the pass is the verse I really wanted to get to, and it says, and I will put an end to all her mirth, all her feasts, her new her new moons, and her Sabbaths, and all her appointed feasts. Part of God's punishment to Israel is the removal of Sabbaths.
Luke:Mhmm. I'm gonna take away all their holidays, all her celebrations, all of her Sabbaths. Like, it was a punishment to have Sabbath removed. Did you find that Lamentations passage?
Cameron:I did end up finding Lamentations in the Bible. Yes.
Luke:You did? Okay.
Cameron:It's right after Jeremiah. It is indeed. But for whatever reason, it's like my pages pages were sticking together, and I was trying to talk at the same time. So what was the actual reference? Two six.
Cameron:Two six. He has laid waste his dwelling like a garden. He has destroyed his place of meeting. The Lord has made Zion forget her appointed feasts and Sabbaths. In his fierce anger, he has spurned both king and priest.
Luke:Yeah. Yeah. So these are two judgment passages on Israel before they go into exile, because they've been pursuing false gods. And part of we're like, oh, exile is the punishment.
Cameron:It's part of the But
Luke:also part of the punishment, as articulated in two of these passages, is the removal of Sabbath.
Cameron:Yeah. It'd be like if you sent your kid to your room as a punishment, and then took their iPad
Luke:Right. As well. Yes. Exactly.
Cameron:So it's like, you're still going to your room as a punishment, and on top of it, I'm taking the thing.
Luke:Yeah. And the irony is, is that God hasn't taken Sabbath from us, but we've just ignored it. Yeah. We've put ourselves, by ignoring Sabbath, we have put ourselves in a position of experiencing punishment. We are punishing our own selves by ignoring the gift of Sabbath.
Cameron:Yeah. That's a good word. That's gonna preach.
Luke:Yeah. That's gonna preach hard.
Cameron:You better come hard with that.
Luke:It's like that's but that's what it is. It's a gift that we have just, for some reason, said no to Mhmm. In order to say yes to busyness, hurried, schedules that are filled, like Even good things that come from the world.
Cameron:Yeah. We've chosen good things
Luke:Mhmm.
Cameron:That come from the world that are not the good thing that comes from the Lord. Yep. Yeah. What maybe as a tangential question, but somewhat similar. This is a really this is not a very complicated or nuanced question at all, so don't worry.
Cameron:Okay. What was the purpose of the law?
Luke:I mean, there's that passage where Paul talks about the purpose of the What did Paul say the purpose of law? Well, it was to train righteousness.
Cameron:Train us okay. So to be a mirror in which we can see our own sin.
Luke:Yeah. Right. It it it likes at least on this side of it. Right? Yeah.
Luke:That's what the purpose of the law becomes, is it becomes an illustration. It it shows us our own failings and inability to keep the law and the necessity for Christ. And do we
Cameron:think that that was always and always the only purpose? Like, I mean, even just thinking about like Levitical law. Yeah. And like the extraordinary restrictions put on the people for purity, cleanliness, life, diet I mean,
Luke:I don't think so. I I don't like, I think that's always maybe been a portion of it, right, is a reminder that we are unclean. Mhmm. That in our standard way of being, we're not worthy to be with God. But then also, parts of the law, including the Sabbath, were demarkers to remind the Israelite people that they were gods.
Luke:Right? So circumcision, Sabbath, there's a couple others that were like this is like a not a sense of burden, but a sense of pride, because it distinguishes me from the other nations. Mhmm. To say like, well, I live this way because I'm God's. Right.
Luke:And that and so that wasn't a burden. That was a that was a gift. God's given me a different way to live, and it means that I'm His. So I don't think that our think we still this is really getting deep in the weeds here but I still think we very much struggle with the over interpretation of pharisaical and Old Testament law from a Medieval context when the reformers came. Talking about deep cut.
Luke:Yeah. So when Martin Luther and Calvin and all of them were doing all of their reforming, they were interpreting a lot of Paul's and Jesus' teachings against some of the pharisaical behavior of the Catholic church. And so still to this day Like overreacting. Overreacting, right? And so to this day, when we read law, we can sometimes insert Catholicism, or something like that.
Luke:And we look at the Old Testament, and we see it as being essentially this Marcion heresy. So Marcion was this early heretic in the early church who believed that there was the mean God of the Old Testament, and Jesus was the new God, and he was the nice God. And if you just kind of get this idea that God suddenly changed his face with Jesus. He suddenly became this nice God, and that there's this dichotomy between that, that was an early heresy. That's still repeated all over the place.
Luke:It's a heresy that's continued to live. It's just called other things now. I just don't believe that that's a true representation. I think when we read the Old Testament, we see that God is loving, He's kind, He's patient, He's forbearing, that He's the law was not meant to be this really mean, ugly, nasty thing that was a burden upon the people. Mhmm.
Luke:That it was generally seen and perceived as a gift. Mhmm. That it wasn't just this, like
Cameron:Mhmm.
Luke:Wasn't being this like taskmaster. Right. It's very just a like Yeah. A good thing. Mhmm.
Cameron:Yeah. I've always seen it, and in the same in the same way as, like, on the on this side of the law, yeah, it is a thing that has it's been a mirror that has revealed our sin Mhmm. And our need for a savior. Yeah. Cannot measure up to the standard of God's holiness on our own.
Cameron:We need the righteousness of Jesus to do that for us. Excuse me. But similar to what you said there, you didn't use these words, but you said the same thing, is that the law was for the people. It was an anchor of consecration. Yeah.
Cameron:It is what anchored them as separate from the pagan nations around them. And there is still a not even a significant, that still is true for the people of God now.
Luke:Mhmm.
Cameron:Even the engrafted branches as Gentile believers into the people of God. There are aspects about our life, and our practice, and our beliefs that are anchors for consecration in a world of pagan belief. And not just pagan belief, like pagan belief in Old Testament worship of false gods or whatever, but pagan belief around like love, who who is worthy, who who should we love and not love. The pagan world, we we love those who love us. Mhmm.
Cameron:We love our friends. Yeah. You know? We don't love those. We don't love our enemies, and we certainly don't pray for them, or forgiveness, or generosity, or mercy, or compassion, or aspects of our not aspects of our sexual morality and sexual Like, the law of God, the word of God, both in the law and in the New Testament Mhmm.
Cameron:Is becomes an anchor for consecration that defines us as separate Mhmm. Set apart for special purpose by use of God for the building of his kingdom. And so, it is not meant as a yoke of punishment or weight. It's a thing that sets us apart, and makes us different from the world around around us, and defines us as I'm set apart for him. Right.
Cameron:We're set apart for him.
Luke:Yeah. We're gonna start sounding like fundamentalists in a second.
Cameron:Let's I'll start pounding this pulpit.
Luke:Well, that's I think that's the thing is that we've veered so much into this realm of wanting to not seem like we're different. Oh, look, I'm just exactly like you, except I go to church on Sundays. Yeah. And what we've done is we've left aside all the things that God has given us to be distinct because they're unpopular, and we will be canceled for them or something like that. You know?
Luke:Not all I don't think everybody lives in fear of being canceled, but I think that, like, I I think it does when it comes to people's view of sexuality.
Cameron:Mhmm. Right? You you are really not allowed to have a public a different view, a different perspective of human sexuality in the public realm Yeah. Than the prevailing opinions of Right. The world.
Cameron:Yeah. You're not allowed to.
Luke:Even regardless the fact that we're in the middle of, like, this will time stamp us a little bit, but, like, even though we're in the middle of a world where for at least four years, there seems to be a top head leaning towards a more conservative view of sexuality, but I don't know that that's out of a Christ whatever. But like Yeah. Right. You know, but still, the prevailing culture has been, like, permissive towards sexuality, and I think it will continue that way, regardless of whatever the blip of social Mhmm. Upheaval and turmoil we're in the middle of.
Cameron:Mhmm. Mhmm. Yeah. So, I said all that. I asked the question about the, like, the the laws and anchor of consecration
Luke:Mhmm.
Cameron:To say Sabbath is just that thing as well. Yes. That when the rest of the world is running like a chicken with its head cut off, a % of the time, Sabbath is the thing that marks us out as different. Exactly.
Luke:It's it's meant to make us look a little weird.
Cameron:Mhmm. Yeah. I I said at the beginning of the year, like, am prepared I'm prepare for me to make it weird this year. I'm gonna make it weird this year. I'm going all in.
Cameron:Yeah. Well, I am excited for this series. Honestly, part of the reason I'm excited is that I feel like you're really prepared to preach it. Yeah. And so I am just gonna sit and receive it, and sit under some teaching for a little while, which is good.
Cameron:I feel like I did a little marathon through prayer, and now I'm ready to sit and receive some Sabbath preaching.
Luke:I'm excited about it, because it is definitely it's something that was just I don't know. It's like a newer it feels new and fresh, because it's been so not talked about.
Cameron:Mhmm.
Luke:It's not that it's actually all that new.
Cameron:Right. Right. Well, we thank you for listening. I hope that it moved along a little faster this time, and I, it didn't sound like it had marbles in my mouth, or that, you know, I don't know what, that I was half asleep. I'm so sorry for all that.
Cameron:We're gonna do better in the future. Why don't you give us some stinking feedback out there, so we know, hey, is Cameron half asleep, or what? Because he's always drinking an energy drink, but he's talking really slow. Man, holy cow. I wish I would've known 81 episodes ago.
Cameron:Anyway, have a great day. Thanks for listening. We'll catch you on the next one.
